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=== Virtual Social: Thursday November 13th ===
6 pm


Meeting link removed.


=== Technical Meeting: Thursday September 11th ===
Bring your calendars, so we can schedule the December virtual board gaming night. Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Chris Abbey on Ingress.


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Want to learn about a game that ticks every possible game checkbox? cabbey will be talking about Ingress, It's a Cooperative Team Based Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Combat Farming Geo-Aware Layered Reality version of Capture the Flag.
=== Virtual Social: Thursday October 9th ===
6 pm


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Meeting link removed.


And here's his after action report:
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know - Aaron is running this meeting.


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Here's the slide deck I used last night:


https://docs.google.com/a/cabbey.net/presentation/d/1w-ni8qEfG8GNawdP6_X8yB7LNinAysZ8D_Y2zMMYF0k


If you're reading along at home, be sure to check the speaker notes where a lot of what I said is at least hinted at, if not written down.
=== Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Monday October 6th ===
6:00 - 7:30 pm


The video I played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss-Z-QjFUio
[https://www.google.com/maps/@43.9993974,-92.4222823,457m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D Joyce Park], in the SE corner of town.  Use the on-street parking on 15th St SE to be near the LBB-required waiver and bags.


The demographics report I mentioned: http://simulacrum.cc/2013/01/23/the-demographics-of-ingress/
Bags provided.  You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty.  Some pond shoreline, yes woods (mowed park + woods = 35.2 acres), and you might want a headlamp because sunset is at 6:41 pm.


This is also a great site for learning about the game mechanics: http://decodeingress.me
As usual we are teaming up with the [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCBCE7R geocachers] to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


The video I didn't play due to time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zyibi6niWA
Another video of another epic outing a friend of mine went on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvmiE0yhYG8 and the second one, filmed by Niantic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D92gLsvbXvI (slicker production values, but more content free)


Ignore the fact that all of those are green operations, the so called "enlightened" (remember what we learned, they're the alien invaders seeking to crush humanity) seem to be a bit more vain about filming their victories. The resistance has mounted a number of equally epic operations... we just tend not to toot our own horns. (and yes, my self imposed restriction on trying to recruit is over.)
=== Walking Cascade Lake in-person social (outside), Monday September 15th ===
6:00 pm


RESIST. Its Humanity's Only Hope.
Park in the [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cascade+Lake+Park/@44.0243718,-92.4981303,1827m/ Cascade Lake Park parking lot], you may recognize this park from previous Litter Bit Better trash cleanups.  We'll walk counter-clockwise, if you're trying to play catch-up.


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<strike>Kevin A - DefCon 2014 summary</strike>  This has been delayed.
=== Virtual Social: Thursday September 11th ===
6 pm


6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's HA107.
Meeting link removed.


[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html  Directions to Campus]
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know - Tim is running this meeting.


[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]




=== Social:  Monday August 25th - Minigolf ===
=== Outside Social:  Thursday August 28th ===
Monday, August 25th, 6 pm - minigolf at Skyline Raceway.  There's a coupon in the half-sized local mailed coupon book for $2 off a round, these coupon books can also be picked up in the entryway of many local stores.  http://www.skylineracewayrochester.com/mini-golf.html


Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm.  Here is [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217033483939111930234.0004a3795f42da701ae0b&msa=0&ll=44.015742,-92.422206&spn=0.003541,0.006942&iwloc=0004a37962daae4746296 a map].


=== Planned Social:  August TBD ===
<strike>Rocket launch and picnic.  Saturday August 30th, time and location TBA by launch master Kevin Arhelger.</strike>


This fell through.


=== Virtual Social: Thursday August 14th ===
6 pm


=== Planned Lunch: Thursday August 21st  ===
Meeting link removed.
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.




=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday August 14th ===
=== Outdoor Social: Monday July 21st ===  
<strike>Speaker needed, please let Tina or Jon G know if you're willing to volunteer. Willing to present but want to know what people have expressed interest in? Check out our [http://www.k-lug.org/index.php?title=Meetings&action=submit#Requested_topics_list requested topics] page.
Olmsted County Fair night! 6 pm.


6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's HA107.
My experience with going on Monday night last year was that on-site parking was easy and free, some of the food trucks were open (including the milkshake stand), and many of the animals were already present including horse showings.  I’ve also been told that many craft projects will already be present, so we can do a scavenger hunt for projects by people we know.


[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html Directions to Campus]
[https://k-lug.org/images/c/c8/Fairgrounds_meeting_places_2025.jpg Map here].  At 6 pm we’ll meet at the parking lot (red star on the map, central to the “block”), and if you want to catch up to us a little later, try around the Graham Arena buildings adjacent to the green star on the south end of the fairgrounds.


[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]</strike>


=== Next Meeting: - No Meeting, but Disc Golf ===
=== Virtual Social: Thursday July 10th, 2025 ===
6 pm


->'''When:''' Thursday, August 14th - 6:00 pm - 7:35 pm
Meeting link [https://us04web.zoom.us/j/76063786273?pwd=SxxHm75TEnLIHSstcVTPHKxzwpZuUs.1 here.]


->'''Where:''' meet at the RCTC Campus for disc golf, park in the UCR Gym lot
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.




=== Outdoor Social: Thursday June 26th, 11:30 am  ===
Lunch at RochesterFest. We'll be sitting at a picnic table on the far side of the tent from the music, to hopefully lower the decibel level enough to still talk.  Also trying to get line of sight on the pet events, like frisbee dogs.


Food trailers are supposed to be open by 11 am, 11:30 am will give us a little better chance at getting parking.




=== Social: Wednesday July 30th ===
=== Virtual Social: Thursday June 12th, 2025 ===
6:30 pm - disc golf at RCTC.  If you don't have your own disc that's fine, come out anyway. Don't know where to meet? Here's a [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217033483939111930234.0004a3795f42da701ae0b&msa=0&ll=44.015742,-92.422206&spn=0.003541,0.006942&iwloc=0004a37962daae4746296 map].
6 pm


Meeting link removed.


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Social Preparation for August:  Friday July 25th ===
Last rocket build night at the Rabbit Hole.
http://tymkrs.com/rabbithole/
547 Northern Heights Dr NE
Rochester MN 55906


=== Mini golf outside social, Wednesday May 14th ===
6 pm
6 pm


Blue Lagoon mini golf, the new mini golf place that opened late last fall, on the NW side of town


Unlike most of our events, this social is not free, pricing is [https://bluelagoonminigolf.com/pricing here].  The second round is significantly cheaper ($5/person), so if we finish in good time we might try to squeeze in a second round before they close at 8 pm.




=== "Technical Meeting", aka ice cream social:  Sunday July 20th ===
No speaker volunteers (typical for summer) and no officer energy to kick behinds, we're having ice cream and flying kites instead.


Location:  [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Redwood+Ln+SW,+Rochester,+MN+55902/@43.989365,-92.4843012,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x87f758cbe6ddd805:0xcbd56f452d52bbef That park by Steve Fox's house], officially known as Pine Ridge Estates Park, on Redwood Lane SW.
=== Virtual Social: Thursday May 8th, 2025 ===
6 pm


1:30 pm
Meeting link removed


This park has a nice playground for the littles, picnic tables, and room to fly kites, as well as usually being unpopulated.  The lack of trees and being on top of a hill mean it's pretty bug free even when there's not enough breeze to fly the kites.
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Please bring your family and friends who might want to hang out.  If you don't want to sit at the picnic tables or on the playground equipment, bring your own folding chair.  And bring your own beverage.




=== Litter Bit Better outside social, Tuesday April 22nd ===
6:15 - 7:30 pm


=== Special second lunch:  Thursday June 26th, downtown ===
A new to us park, Weatherstone, on the far NW corner of town.
Take advantage of Thursdays on First PLUS the RochesterFest vendors.


11:30 am, the tent by the RochesterFest sound stage, downtown (by the library and civic center)
Bags provided. You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. There is a pond in this park.


As usual we are [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCB48NR_16th-annual-cito-and-rochesters-litter-bit-better teaming up with the geocachers] to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


=== Lunch:  Thursday June 19th  ===
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.




=== Technical Meeting: June 12th - Android App Development - Jon Tollefson ===
=== Virtual Social: Thursday April 10th, 2025 ===
Thursday, June 12th - 6:00 pm - 7:35 pm
6 pm
Where: RCTC Heintz Center Room HA107
1926 College View Road SE, Rochester, MN 55904


Jon has developed a java based game and published it to open source. This talk will focus on how to setup for and code such an application for Android
Meeting link removed.


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Lunch:  Thursday May 15th  ===
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.


=== Outdoor Social: Geocaching hike, equinox weekend, Friday March 21st ===


6 pm


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday May 8th 2014===
We'll start at the [https://k-lug.org/images/c/c1/20250321_hike_plan.jpg dog park just north of Essex Park] (red circle) for a short walk. Then depending on the walking conditions, we'll walk or drive to the two caches NE of that dog park (orange circle), and then down to the one Essex Park cache that we haven't chased recently (yellow circle).
Join us at the March 13th meeting to help pick a day/time/location to help us meet the [https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2025/03/a-new-season-and-new-souvenir/ equinox souvenir criteria].


Next Meeting: - Node.js and Amazon EC2 free tier hosting - Tim Massaro
Afterwards, we'll drive to 25th Street and 25th Avenue NW, in the residential neighborhood just south of IBM park, for a [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCA2025 locationless geocache].
When: Thursday, May 8th - 6:00 pm - 7:35 pm
Where: RCTC Heintz Center Room HA107
1926 College View Road SE, Rochester, MN 55904


Presentation summary: Node.js is a server side javascript platform currently very popular for easily building fast, scalable web applications. This presentation will be an introduction to node and will demo how you can set up a free (for 1 yr) hosting environment on Amazon's cloud based hosting service called EC2.


=== Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday March 13th, 2025 ===
6 pm


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday April 10th ===
Meeting link removed.
Dennis DeLorme, on Beaglebone Black.


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Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Small scale computing is becoming more affordable as technology
advances. For low cost simple 8 (or occasionally 16) bit micocontrollers
were the norm. This trend lead to the Arduino microcontroller on a
board. The low cost and popular support have made it a very popular system.


A few years ago the Raspberry Pi project was started to bring the cost
of a full computer on a board into the Arduino price range. This was
followed by the Beaglebone Black, a lower cost version of the Beaglebone
family. These new systems, which have price points under $50, are
significantly different than the Arduino level systems. They have
similar I/O capabilities but much more computational power than the
Arduino. They are also more complex to use effectively.


In this presentation I will briefly compare the differences and than
=== Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday February 13th, 2025 ===
discuss some Beaglebone Black features. Unlike the Arduino, development
6 pm
can be done directly on the Beaglebone as a stand alone system. I will
also talk about VNC which allows a PC to remotely control the Beaglebone
GUI.


Dennis' slides are [http://k-lug.org/images/d/de/Beaglbone.pdf here].
Meeting link removed.


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Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's '''HA109'''.  Please note we're going to try meeting in the computer lab just across the bigger hallway (to the west) from our usual room, due to hardware differences between the two rooms. 


[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html  Directions to Campus]


[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]
=== Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday January 9th, 2025 ===
 
6 pm
Also a reminder that Tim will be running this meeting, along with all things K-LUG for May-August (thanks Tim!).  If you have any agenda items to add, please make sure Tim knows about them in advance.


=== Planned Social:  March 2014 TBD ===
Meeting link removed.
<strike> Ideas can be found [http://www.k-lug.org/SocialMeeting here] or invent your own.  What would you like to do?  Tell Tim or Tina.  We've got lots of potential indoor activities at the bottom of this page, speak up if you have preferences.</strike>


Tina didn't get anything organized, sorry.
KLUG officer elections.


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Lunch:  Thursday March 20th  ===
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday March 13th, 2014 ===
Mark Diez will be coordinating an audience-driven "Andriod devices, apps, and accesories".
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ALL THINGS ANDROID – BYO – SHOW ‘N’ TELL
K-LUG/PCIG members and guests will demo favorite and interesting Android stuff – including devices (phones, tablets, other?), apps, accessories, and tips/techniques. Attendees are invited to bring their own or just come to see what others have brought in a wide-ranging demo and discussion of EVERYTHING ANDROID.
BRING YOUR FAVORITE ANDROID DEVICES, APPS, and ACCESSORIES.
• Devices: Android phones and tablets, direct-attached hardware, Bluetooth-attached hardware, …
• Apps: backup, anti-virus/firewall, VPN, productivity, utilities, development, fun stuff, …
• Accessories: covers, stands, …
• Tips/techniques
Here are some items that are likely to arrive. Mark Diez and Mo Holahan will be hosting the show’n’tell.
• Devices discussion:  Nook HD+, Nook HD, Samsung cricket SCH-R720
• Android For Nook  (AFN): putting Cyanogenmod Android on your Nook HD and HD+ device via commercial microSD card.
• Non-traditional keyboard input apps:  Dasher, Dvorak, GKOS, Hacker's, Messagease
• Handwritten text input app: MyScript Stylus
• Editor: Jota+
• Office apps: Kingsoft Office, OfficeSuite Pro 7.2
• File and task managers:  ES File Manager, ES Task Manager
• Cloud file management: Dropbox (including offline access of files)
• Chromecast – YouTube
• Skype – audio only, video and audio
• E-book readers:  Moon+ Pro (paid), EBookDroid (free), FBReader(free)
• Miscellaneous favorites: Stopwatch, Yukon Gold Solitaire
• Other interesting apps:  Google My Tracks (GPS/mapping),  Physics Toolbox (sensor, accelerometer readers), Autodesk Force Effect, Force Effect Motion, simulation of mechanical linkages
Contact Mark Diez for further info or if you have questions or suggestions.
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6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's HA107.
[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html  Directions to Campus]
[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]
Other items on the agenda include pie to celebrate Pi day, PCIG elections and potentially a PCIG future discussion, and a request for March/April/May social ideas.
=== Lunch:  Thursday February 20th  ===
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.
=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday February 13th, 2014 ===
Matt Bruzek will present on Juju.
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Juju is an open source cloud orchestration tool that allows you to configure, manage and deploy on a public or private cloud environments.  The presentation will describe what Juju does and what Charms are, and a live demo of the tools.
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A copy of Matt's slides are [http://prezi.com/7xgiezaajjek/juju/  here].
6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's HA107.
[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html  Directions to Campus]
[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]
=== Social:  Saturday February 1st ===
As a part of [http://www.rochestermn.gov/departments/park/activities/winter/WinterFest/days/2_saturday.asp Rochester's WinterFest], there's free admission and a free snow globe making session at the Art Center (which is on the south side of the Civic Center downtown).
Meet at 12:30 at the Rochester Art Center.  Saturday February 1st.
The admission to exhibits is open and free from 10-5.  The snow globe making activity runs from 1-4.  So those who want to participate in snow globes will have a half an hour to browse the exhibits before showing up for the first round of instructions at 1 pm, in the 3rd floor studios.  Anyone wanting to avoid snow globes can continue to browse the exhibits.  I'm having a hard time with the exhibit schedule on the [http://rochesterartcenter.org/exhibitions/exhibitions.html art center's website], as it looks like most of the current exhibits ended recently and they haven't updated their website with what's new.  So if what they're exhibiting matters to you, keep an eye on their website or give them a call, and let the rest of us know what you find out.
=== Lunch:  Thursday January 16th  ===
11:30 am, Apache Mall food court, near B&N.
=== Social:  Saturday January 11th, 2014 ===
We're off to the [http://rochester.mcm.org/ Children's Museum]!  The one here in Rochester, so no need for a big trip.  Event 10 am - __, with plans to stay at least through 11:30 for the 11-11:30 special event physical activity since the kids need to burn off some extra energy.
Always felt too awkward to go to a Children's Museum without a kid of your own in tow, or your kids were "too old" to want to be used that way?  Come hang out with the group, and feel better that at least some of us are bringing kids.  Do be aware that the MCM-Rochester's policy on adults attending without kids is that you will be required to show photo ID.
$5.50/person for ages >=1.  $1 discount with proof of AAA or AARP membership, or military ID.
1643 North Broadway Street, Suite A
River Center Plaza
Rochester, MN 55906
That's across the street from Silver Lake Foods, in the same strip mall as La Fiesta, and across the parking lot from Wendy's.
Afterwards, anyone interested can walk next door for lunch at Kingdom Buffet (Chinese).  Prices here:  http://www.kingdombuffetofrochester.com/rochester-mn-chinese-buffet.htm
Their re-designed website doesn't seem to have the discount coupon any more, let me know if you spot one.
=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday January 9th, 2014 ===
Kyle Jervis will talk to us about bitcoin, including a lot of time for Q&A.
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Bitcoin is decentralized peer to peer money.  There will be a
brief overview of the system in the context of previous electronic money
systems and show how bitcoin solves the problems encountered by them. 
There will also be a technical introduction to the inner workings of the
system (cryptography, network, transactions, scripts, etc.)  The
remainder of the session will be Q&A/discussion.  Questions on virtually
any bitcoin-related topic are welcome.
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Here are the [http://k-lug.org/images/8/89/Bitcoin.pdf slides] from his presentation.
6 pm, in or near RCTC Heintz Center's HA107.
[http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html  Directions to Campus]
[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html  Heintz Center Building Map]
Also on the agenda:  The annual K-LUG coup attempt (ie officer elections), and round 1 of PCIG officer nominations.  Anything else you want to see on the agenda?  Let Tim or Tina know.
I'm sure we'll have something eventually....  ;)






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Latest revision as of 02:04, 14 November 2025


Virtual Social: Thursday November 13th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Bring your calendars, so we can schedule the December virtual board gaming night. Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Social: Thursday October 9th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know - Aaron is running this meeting.


Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Monday October 6th

6:00 - 7:30 pm

Joyce Park, in the SE corner of town. Use the on-street parking on 15th St SE to be near the LBB-required waiver and bags.

Bags provided. You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. Some pond shoreline, yes woods (mowed park + woods = 35.2 acres), and you might want a headlamp because sunset is at 6:41 pm.

As usual we are teaming up with the geocachers to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


Walking Cascade Lake in-person social (outside), Monday September 15th

6:00 pm

Park in the Cascade Lake Park parking lot, you may recognize this park from previous Litter Bit Better trash cleanups. We'll walk counter-clockwise, if you're trying to play catch-up.


Virtual Social: Thursday September 11th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know - Tim is running this meeting.


Outside Social: Thursday August 28th

Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm. Here is a map.


Virtual Social: Thursday August 14th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outdoor Social: Monday July 21st

Olmsted County Fair night! 6 pm.

My experience with going on Monday night last year was that on-site parking was easy and free, some of the food trucks were open (including the milkshake stand), and many of the animals were already present including horse showings. I’ve also been told that many craft projects will already be present, so we can do a scavenger hunt for projects by people we know.

Map here. At 6 pm we’ll meet at the parking lot (red star on the map, central to the “block”), and if you want to catch up to us a little later, try around the Graham Arena buildings adjacent to the green star on the south end of the fairgrounds.


Virtual Social: Thursday July 10th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link here.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outdoor Social: Thursday June 26th, 11:30 am

Lunch at RochesterFest. We'll be sitting at a picnic table on the far side of the tent from the music, to hopefully lower the decibel level enough to still talk. Also trying to get line of sight on the pet events, like frisbee dogs.

Food trailers are supposed to be open by 11 am, 11:30 am will give us a little better chance at getting parking.


Virtual Social: Thursday June 12th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Mini golf outside social, Wednesday May 14th

6 pm

Blue Lagoon mini golf, the new mini golf place that opened late last fall, on the NW side of town

Unlike most of our events, this social is not free, pricing is here. The second round is significantly cheaper ($5/person), so if we finish in good time we might try to squeeze in a second round before they close at 8 pm.


Virtual Social: Thursday May 8th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Litter Bit Better outside social, Tuesday April 22nd

6:15 - 7:30 pm

A new to us park, Weatherstone, on the far NW corner of town.

Bags provided. You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. There is a pond in this park.

As usual we are teaming up with the geocachers to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


Virtual Social: Thursday April 10th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outdoor Social: Geocaching hike, equinox weekend, Friday March 21st

6 pm

We'll start at the dog park just north of Essex Park (red circle) for a short walk. Then depending on the walking conditions, we'll walk or drive to the two caches NE of that dog park (orange circle), and then down to the one Essex Park cache that we haven't chased recently (yellow circle). Join us at the March 13th meeting to help pick a day/time/location to help us meet the equinox souvenir criteria.

Afterwards, we'll drive to 25th Street and 25th Avenue NW, in the residential neighborhood just south of IBM park, for a locationless geocache.


Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday March 13th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday February 13th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Technical Meeting or Social: Thursday January 9th, 2025

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

KLUG officer elections.

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