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=== Social:  Free comedy show, Wednesday July 29th, 7 pm ===
We're going to a free comedy show, it starts at 7 pm in the Peace Plaza.  Several other activities going on down there that evening (4:30 pm Music by Royal T, 6:30-8 pm Vikings Cheerleaders, 7 pm Comedians [http://www.bobzany.com Bob Zany], Scott Hansen, and Jeff Gerbino), details on the [http://www.rtautismawareness.org/calendar/2009-07-29.php Autism Awareness website].
[http://www.k-lug.org/images/f/f5/Comedy.pdf Add for Comedy Nite ]


=== Virtual Social: Thursday November 14th ===
6 pm


=== Lunch:  Thursday July 16th ===
Meeting link (removed)
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  Look for a gathering of geeks.


Agenda
-Sharing your new tech discoveries
-Socializing
-Choosing a December board game night (Friday December 6th, Friday December 13th, Saturday December 14th)


=== Technical Meeting: Thursday July 9th Demo of Socialbrowse by Zack Garbo ===
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.
   
'''When:''' Thursday July 9th, 6pm - 7:30pm


[http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html Heintz Center Building Map]
Also, thank you for your efforts at our fall trash cleanup.  The Public Works Department gave these summary measures of the city-wide efforts: "Over 620 pounds of litter was collected by A Litter Bit Better volunteers during the fall event. An estimated 1.179 volunteers picked up 64 sites that covered many locations around Rochester."  This was 12 loads of trash, removed from our environment!


Socialbrowse was conceived by co-founders Zachary Garbow and David Fowler as part of Silicon Valley's Y Combinator startup program. Socialbrowse aims to change the “static, individual” experience of browsing the Web into a more social and dynamic one. The first version of the product allows people who use the Firefox browser to install a program that creates a real-time sidebar of links and comments shared by their friends. After recently closing a seed stage round of funding, they will soon be launching an ambitious new version of Socialbrowse that serves as a platform for social browsing applications, which run on any web browser without any installation.


Zachary will provide a sneak peek of this new version, currently under development. He'll demonstrate how anyone can develop and deploy custom collaborative applications quickly and easily using the next generation of http://Socialbrowse.com
=== Virtual Social: Thursday October 10th ===
6 pm


Yes, timing worked out that you'll see us twice in the same week.


=== Lunch: Thursday June 18th ===
Meeting link removed.
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N. Look for a convocation of geeks.  


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.




=== Technical Meeting: Thursday June 11th Tour of the Digital and Analog Projection Booth's at Wehrenberg Theaters ===
=== Potential October outdoor social - 18 holes of mini golf ===
-> When: Thursday June 11th
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-lifestyle/new-18-hole-mini-golf-course-coming-to-rochester
https://krocnews.com/rochester-mns-largest-mini-golf-course-is-about-to-open/


-> 6pm - 7pm


-> Where:Wehrenberg Theaters Rochester <- Note, not our normal meeting location
=== Socials brainstorming: Fall or winter ===
-Murder mystery.  The host needs to buy a kit at a gaming store to get the event started.


-Jim Henderson, "Silicon Valley" documentary


K-LUG has an "in" at the local Wehrenberg theater and a few members attended an impromptu tour of the projection booth there a few weeks ago. It was so much fun we've decided to offer it for everyone this month as our main meeting topic. Let's meet at 6PM in the "drive-in" feature of the lobby. The tour will take 30mins to an hour. After the tour people can choose to stay and watch a movie or not. We are recommending the group attend the new animated 3D movie Up which is getting great reviews and is rated PG.  
-Bowlocity laser tag. 5-6 people minimum needed.


Other movies available too...see their website here http://www.wehrenberg.com/theatres.aspx#6
-Liquid nitrogen ice cream. This needs a non-Tina organizer. Dennis DeLorme has 2 recipes. We need safety equipment and someone trained enough to keep us from freezing ourselves.


Prices are as follows. ADULT Price: $10.50 /ticket


CHILD Price: $7.50 /ticket
=== Pending potential presentations  ===


SENIOR (over 60) Price: $8.50 /ticket
Jon Gullixson: gnucash or www :: Mechanize


We'd like to let the theater know how many people to expect, so please email Tina if you plan to attend.


Thanks!


=== Lunch:  Thursday May 21st ===
=== Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Monday October 7th ===
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  Look for a convocation of geeks.
6:15 - 7:30 pm


This is the first time Rochester is running a fall edition of Litter Bit Better, so we're going to go clean up a second time this year.  Pine Ridge Estates Park, which you may recognize as where we have previously ice cream picnicked, and flown kites.  [https://www.google.com/maps?q=N+43%C2%B0+59.280+W+092%C2%B0+29.070+(GCAYC0F)+ Map]


=== Technical Meeting: Thursday May 21st ===
Bags provided.  You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. No shoreline, yes woods (mowed park + woods = 5.1 acres), and you might want a headlamp.
''' NOTE DATE AND LOCATION CHANGE '''<br>
A field trip to see this year's Studio Academy FIRST Robotics League robot, we'll be at Studio Academy for their presentation, 6 pm.


[[Image:IMG_0046.jpg]]
As usual we are teaming up with the [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCAYC0F_15-andahalf-cito-and-rochesters-litter-bit-better geocachers] to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


Studio Academy is located at
415 16th St SW, Rochester, MN 55902
Our meeting and demo will be in the auditorium.


=== In town social: Thursday May 14th ===
=== Virtual Social: Thursday September 12th ===
Since we aren't having a technical meeting on our regular night, come socialize with your favorite geeks.  We're going to see the new Star Trek movie!  Exact time, theater, and screen size yet TBD.
6 pm


Meeting link removed.
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== In Town Social:  Wednesday April 22nd, 2009 ===
6:30 pm at Quarry Hill, park and roadside cleanup.  We have areas #127 and #140 on [http://rneighbors.org/files/NEFinal.pdf this map].  I'm coordinating us with another group of people that tends to overlap, so all of the details can be found [http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gc1ptcf here].  Bring your own gloves; bags and disposal will be provided because we're doing this as part of Rochester's [http://rneighbors.org/about_litter_bit_better Litter Bit Better] campaign.  Headcounts to Tina would be appreciated.




=== Lunch:  Thursday April 16th, 2009 ===
=== Outside Social:  Thursday September 5th ===
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  I hope we're not like crows, a murder of geeks doesn't sound very good.


Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm.  Here is [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217033483939111930234.0004a3795f42da701ae0b&msa=0&ll=44.015742,-92.422206&spn=0.003541,0.006942&iwloc=0004a37962daae4746296 a map].


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday April 9th, 2009 ===
Mike Bleimeyer, aircrack-ng and Kismet demonstration.  Usual place and time, 6 pm at [http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html RCTC's Heintz Center] room [http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html HA107].


=== Outside Social:  Friday August 30th ===


=== Out of town Social:  Saturday April 4th, 8 am, 2009 ===
Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm.  Here is [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217033483939111930234.0004a3795f42da701ae0b&msa=0&ll=44.015742,-92.422206&spn=0.003541,0.006942&iwloc=0004a37962daae4746296 a map].
A field trip to the Cities to watch the FIRST Robotics League [http://www.mnfirstregional.org/index.html Regional competition].  Carpools will depart at 8 am, see the [http://www.k-lug.org/SocialMeeting Social page] for more details and to sign up.  More info from the [http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:9t_nLgzGhXkJ:www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp%3Fz%3D22%26a%3D386152 PB].




=== Games mailing list ===
We've started a new mailing list for people who are interested in (non-video) gaming. Currently we've been playing Munchkin and RoboRally. See the [http://lists.k-lug.org/mailman/listinfo/games link] in the site navigation menu to join the mailing list if you're interested in joining us.


=== Virtual Social: Thursday August 8th ===
6 pm


=== Want a K-Lug Shirt? ===
Meeting link removed.
[[Image:Klugpatchsm.png]]
Our first batch of shirts came out rather nice, especially for the price. We have folk who didn't get in on the first order. Please [http://www.queensboro.com/closeouts browse the deals here], and  contact Tim if interested. (We need a minimum order of 4)
We can now order screen printed tees from this company as well


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Lunch:  Thursday March 19th, 2009 ===
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  Look for a convocation of geeks.


=== Virtual Social: Thursday July 11th ===
6 pm


=== Social:  Tuesday March 17th, 2009 ===
Meeting link removed.
We're celebrating Irish Heritage Day with potatoes, specifically potato guns!  We'll also be constructing a Rube Goldberg device (including things like diet Coke and Mentos).  People need to bring a contribution to make this social a success, more details and sign ups on the [http://www.k-lug.org/SocialMeeting Social page].


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday March 12th, 2009 ===
Mo Holahan will present Processing an Image Processing Programming language and development environment. 
Location: The usual place: RCTC's [http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html Heintz Center] , [http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html Room HA107] , and time (6 pm).


'''Details on the Processing Presentation'''


http://processing.org/
=== Outdoor Social: Thursday June 27th, 11:45 am ===
Lunch at RochesterFest.  We'll be sitting at a picnic table on the far side of the tent from the music, to hopefully lower the decibel level enough to still talk.


Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to program images, animation, and interactions. It is used by students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists for learning, prototyping, and production. It is created to teach fundamentals of computer programming within a visual context and to serve as a software sketchbook and professional production tool. Processing is also used in connection with Arduino (which was the subject of our Feb meeting)
Food trailers are supposed to be open by noon, 11:45 am will give us a little better chance at getting parking.


We'll also be celebrating Pi day a little early.


=== Virtual Social: Thursday June 13th ===
6 pm


=== Lunch:  Thursday February 19th, 2009 ===
Meeting link removed
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  Look for a gaggle of gregarious geeks.


Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


=== Social:  February 13th, 2009 6:30 pm ===
Make DVD episodes 1-4 will be shown at Tim M's house.  Also available for viewing will be the Hackers R Peeps 2 video Kevin A brought us back from DefCon, and gaming for those who prefer it.  Directions [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116951360347447065495.00043977759b79d1e4f44&t=h&z=12 here].  It'd be nice if some people brought snacks/beverages to contribute.  If you have allergies, beware they do have pets.


=== Virtual Social: Thursday May 9th ===
6 pm


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday February 12th, 2009 ===
Meeting link removed
Dennis DeLorme will present on [http://www.arduino.cc/ Arduino].  The usual place: RCTC's [http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html Heintz Center] , [http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html Room HA107] , and time (6 pm).


'''Details on the Arduino Presentation'''
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Arduino is an open source hardware and software project designed to make microcontrollers easy to use. It is based on the Atmel ATmega168, consisting of a defined hardware implementation with several form factors for different applications. The software development system is based on a C subset with predefined functions to take advantage of the hardware features. The intent is to provide an easy to use system for people to use in their creative endeavors - rather than worrying about low level details. See the http://www.arduino.cc homepage for more information.


Dennis DeLorme spent the majority of his career working on data base and file system implementation on the S/38, AS/400, and iSeries. Most recently he has been involved with the Roadrunner and Blue Gene supercomputing systems. For relaxation he enjoys the simplicity of working with microcontrollers. He has implemented a variety of projects using processors from Intel, Motorola, Microchip and now the Atmel AVR based Arduino.


[[Image:Boarduino.jpg|300px]]
=== Geocaching in-person social (outside), Friday May 3rd ===
6 pm


Also on the agenda will be a mini-presentation by Jon Tollefson on syncing Google Calendar (where we've got Linux and social activities posted), which was originally scheduled for January but delayed due to a full agenda.
Park and walk in a neighborhood in NE Rochester.


PCIG nominations
Park near [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC3WQ84 1 - Odin] on Whiting Lane NE's cul de sac.  We'll walk from there to a couple of other geocaches ([https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC57FGC 2], [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC4RPZ2 3]), then back to #1, and then decide if we're walking or driving to [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC8M3FP 4].






=== Social:  Saturday January 17th, 2009 ===
You are invited to a gaming afternoon and potluck dinner at Tina's on Saturday January 17th.  2 pm gaming, with dinner at approximately 6 pm, feel free to join us for either or both.  We'll play some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchkin_(card_game) Munchkin Bites], and have a garlic-laden dinner.  RSVP.


=== Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Tuesday April 30th ===
6:15 - 7:30 pm


=== Technical Meeting:  Thursday January 15th, 2009 Hardcore computers ===
Back to our usual Cascade Lake Park.
==== NOTE DATE CHANGE ====
[[Image:Hardcore.jpg]]


Daren Klum, president of Rochester based, Hardcore Computers will demonstrate their "Reactor" liquid cooled personal computers (that's right, think Cray 2)<br>
Bags provided.  You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty.  There is shoreline.


An intro to the Reactor:
As usual we are teaming up with the [https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCAMJX2 geocachers] to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.
Every computer you've ever used has been limited by heat—until now. First-of-its-kind submersion technology allows for the maximum, most reliable and most sustainable component over-clocking. Submersion cooling provides benefits such as maximum performance, a superior gaming experience and extended service life
<br>




Mini-presentation by Ben Joslin and some students from Studio Academy on the FIRST Robotics League, in hopes of recruiting some of us as volunteers and mentors.  They'll show the video of the 2009 game, show what parts they have to work with and what they have built so far.<br>


=== Virtual Social: Thursday April 11th ===
Come hang out virtually with your favorite geeks, and share what you've been up to or found interesting.


Mini-presentation by Jon Tollefson on syncing Google Calendar (where we've got Linux and social activities posted).  (held over until a future meeting due to a full agenda)
6 pm
 
Meeting link [https://us04web.zoom.us/j/74567357951?pwd=nQjQHcz7eKjaZ5YaHS2UGrat5UVUCv.1 here].
 
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.
 
 
 
=== Virtual Technical Meeting: To be rescheduled ===
Acu Dorin will present on opensource AI software and an effort he and some other folks have made to create a private version of a chatGPT like AI interface
 
 
 
=== Outside Social:  Friday March 22nd, 6 pm ===
 
Geocaching!  The March equinox is an excuse to [https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2024/03/celebrating-the-march-equinox/ find 3 geocaches during the week of the equinox].  If you've never geocached before, this is a great time to join us.  Wear your hiking shoes, long sturdy pants, and otherwise dress for the weather.
 
We will chase 3 multi-caches that start to the east and north of St Marys Hospital
https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC6G6R5
https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5XDH0
https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5XEQV
 
If we have any DNF's, first choice replacement will be:
https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC56K4K
 
I skimmed through the logs, and none of our regulars seem to have found these, so hopefully everyone will qualify for the achievement.
 
Parking:
There is a limited quantity of 2 hour parking in St. Marys Park proper.  However, the neighborhood parking permit restriction opens back up starting at 5:30, so by starting at 6 pm you should be able to park on the street (and not be competing with employees for spots) for the duration of our explorations.
 
 
=== Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday March 14th ===
Speaker cancelled due to illness, will reschedule.
 
Tim Massaro will come to our rescue, and will present on his Partyrock/Blackrock hackathon project, as well as brainstorming some future socials.
 
6 pm
 
Meeting link removed.
 
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.
 
 
 
=== Outside Social:  Saturday February 24th ===
 
It's supposed to be dry all week, there's no snow to fight with, the disc golf holes are present, and Saturday's forecast is for sunshine and a high of 46.  So let's play disc golf!
 
Meet outside the RCTC field house, 2 pm.  Here is [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217033483939111930234.0004a3795f42da701ae0b&msa=0&ll=44.015742,-92.422206&spn=0.003541,0.006942&iwloc=0004a37962daae4746296 a map].
 
 
=== Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday February 8th ===
Aaron Albertson will present a wrap up of this season's volunteer work with student robotics.
 
6 pm
 
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.
 
 
=== Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday January 11th, 2024 ===
Aaron Albertson will present a wrap up of this season's volunteer work with student robotics.
 
6 pm
 
And KLUG officer elections.
 
Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let Tina know.




Also, '''elections'''
<br>


The usual place: RCTC's [http://www.roch.edu/html-spectrum/getting_to_ucr.html Heintz Center] , [http://www.rctc.edu/campustour/maps/heintzA.html Room HA107] , 6 pm.
<br>




=== Lunch:  Thursday January 15th, 2009 ===
11:30 am, at the Apache Mall food court near B&N.  Just for Steve F we'll sit right near the main door and hope it's -20 ;)  (It ended up being wind chills of -50 below that day, just in case anyone was curious)


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Virtual Social: Thursday November 14th

6 pm

Meeting link (removed)

Agenda -Sharing your new tech discoveries -Socializing -Choosing a December board game night (Friday December 6th, Friday December 13th, Saturday December 14th)

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.

Also, thank you for your efforts at our fall trash cleanup. The Public Works Department gave these summary measures of the city-wide efforts: "Over 620 pounds of litter was collected by A Litter Bit Better volunteers during the fall event. An estimated 1.179 volunteers picked up 64 sites that covered many locations around Rochester." This was 12 loads of trash, removed from our environment!


Virtual Social: Thursday October 10th

6 pm

Yes, timing worked out that you'll see us twice in the same week.

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Potential October outdoor social - 18 holes of mini golf

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-lifestyle/new-18-hole-mini-golf-course-coming-to-rochester https://krocnews.com/rochester-mns-largest-mini-golf-course-is-about-to-open/


Socials brainstorming: Fall or winter

-Murder mystery. The host needs to buy a kit at a gaming store to get the event started.

-Jim Henderson, "Silicon Valley" documentary

-Bowlocity laser tag. 5-6 people minimum needed.

-Liquid nitrogen ice cream. This needs a non-Tina organizer. Dennis DeLorme has 2 recipes. We need safety equipment and someone trained enough to keep us from freezing ourselves.


Pending potential presentations

Jon Gullixson: gnucash or www :: Mechanize


Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Monday October 7th

6:15 - 7:30 pm

This is the first time Rochester is running a fall edition of Litter Bit Better, so we're going to go clean up a second time this year. Pine Ridge Estates Park, which you may recognize as where we have previously ice cream picnicked, and flown kites. Map

Bags provided. You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. No shoreline, yes woods (mowed park + woods = 5.1 acres), and you might want a headlamp.

As usual we are teaming up with the geocachers to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


Virtual Social: Thursday September 12th

6 pm

Meeting link removed. Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outside Social: Thursday September 5th

Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm. Here is a map.


Outside Social: Friday August 30th

Disc golf! Meet outside the RCTC field house, 6 pm. Here is a map.


Virtual Social: Thursday August 8th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Social: Thursday July 11th

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outdoor Social: Thursday June 27th, 11:45 am

Lunch at RochesterFest. We'll be sitting at a picnic table on the far side of the tent from the music, to hopefully lower the decibel level enough to still talk.

Food trailers are supposed to be open by noon, 11:45 am will give us a little better chance at getting parking.


Virtual Social: Thursday June 13th

6 pm

Meeting link removed

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Social: Thursday May 9th

6 pm

Meeting link removed

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Geocaching in-person social (outside), Friday May 3rd

6 pm

Park and walk in a neighborhood in NE Rochester.

Park near 1 - Odin on Whiting Lane NE's cul de sac. We'll walk from there to a couple of other geocaches (2, 3), then back to #1, and then decide if we're walking or driving to 4.



Litter Bit Better in-person social (outside), Tuesday April 30th

6:15 - 7:30 pm

Back to our usual Cascade Lake Park.

Bags provided. You bring your own gloves, grabbers, and sense of civic duty. There is shoreline.

As usual we are teaming up with the geocachers to avoid being overwhelmed by garbage.


Virtual Social: Thursday April 11th

Come hang out virtually with your favorite geeks, and share what you've been up to or found interesting.

6 pm

Meeting link here.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Technical Meeting: To be rescheduled

Acu Dorin will present on opensource AI software and an effort he and some other folks have made to create a private version of a chatGPT like AI interface


Outside Social: Friday March 22nd, 6 pm

Geocaching! The March equinox is an excuse to find 3 geocaches during the week of the equinox. If you've never geocached before, this is a great time to join us. Wear your hiking shoes, long sturdy pants, and otherwise dress for the weather.

We will chase 3 multi-caches that start to the east and north of St Marys Hospital https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC6G6R5 https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5XDH0 https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5XEQV

If we have any DNF's, first choice replacement will be: https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC56K4K

I skimmed through the logs, and none of our regulars seem to have found these, so hopefully everyone will qualify for the achievement.

Parking: There is a limited quantity of 2 hour parking in St. Marys Park proper. However, the neighborhood parking permit restriction opens back up starting at 5:30, so by starting at 6 pm you should be able to park on the street (and not be competing with employees for spots) for the duration of our explorations.


Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday March 14th

Speaker cancelled due to illness, will reschedule.

Tim Massaro will come to our rescue, and will present on his Partyrock/Blackrock hackathon project, as well as brainstorming some future socials.

6 pm

Meeting link removed.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Outside Social: Saturday February 24th

It's supposed to be dry all week, there's no snow to fight with, the disc golf holes are present, and Saturday's forecast is for sunshine and a high of 46. So let's play disc golf!

Meet outside the RCTC field house, 2 pm. Here is a map.


Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday February 8th

Aaron Albertson will present a wrap up of this season's volunteer work with student robotics.

6 pm

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let us know.


Virtual Technical Meeting: Thursday January 11th, 2024

Aaron Albertson will present a wrap up of this season's volunteer work with student robotics.

6 pm

And KLUG officer elections.

Anything else you want to see on the agenda? Let Tina know.




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